I just sent an e-mail to Headgehog a couple of days ago, wondering how long I would get to read Dudelove76/Sexecutioner's posts before he was banned. I can't say I'm surprised and I applaud you for getting your point across with a lot more patience than I can muster most of the time.

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Good Heavens Tony. Did something vex thee? I guess so! :D

Well I had emailed Headge about the avatar apparently right about the time you were waging war with him.

I had noticed the two ladies kissing, but let it slide by, the school girl-ish bare bum one kinda caught ones attention. Just a bit over the top. And.... it was banwidth stealing.... admittedly from a soft porno site but still. That is what propelled me to complain. It would be one thing to be offensive, but to be offensive, stealing and linking sad's to a porno site all in one fell swoop was a bit much for me.

I deleted his avatar for that reason last night about the time Sad posted the message in the lexx.com thread. Actually I also prevented him from having any avatars too. But I rescinded that shortly after I saw your warning to him.

As a healthy straight 21 y/o male, I don't find it very offensive. Of course those not in my demographic will have different opinions...

I'm am too feeling the ban urge for Dudelove. He's been banned what, twice already? But I'd rather not get into the habit of banning people. I've already done it twice in that last few days: Fatguy (I'm still getting thank-you's from people on that one. I honestly expected a harsher response) and I re-entered the details of Maya's old permanent ban this morning. I've been on the ban control page so much the last few days for technical reasons that I'm considering making it my homepage. :roll:

Sad claimed tomorrow night for his ban, I've got money on early monday morning. Any other bets?

I know the hrrible details of Maya's justified 2002 banning, but was saddened to see you really are treating it as permanent.

I'll be happy to see the Dude go... Unfortunately, I've been made aware of many complaints about Maya's banning. I'm fully aware of what happened in the past and understand that she was banned all along (permanent), but the details just were re-entered.

Okay, I'm not really that fond of Maya but she is a very popular and mostly good poster at lexx.com. Also, she has been advertising this site and has spoken only good words about this site that I've heard over the last year. Whatever terrible things happened before, she was not being trollish when she was posting recently. I wasn't around here to witness her abuses back in 2002 though I've done my research. That was a dark, stupid, and hateful time in some of lexx fandom (much warfare, threats etc.) and emotions ran really high. I wouldn't defend her on anything she did then, but may lexx.commers are very angry about her being banned (they don't realise she was banned all along).

I am worried at how this is going to look so I considered offering a short statement not as a sadgeezer but as LExxian, quite diplomatic I think, to a perplexed poster by PM here, that she can offer at Maya's site http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dark_Zone_Trading_Post/

However, prudence is good. And it's best to discuss this here first before I put my foot in it.

Several lexx.commers and scifi.commers are really upset about this (some of it is abusive, though not by Maya) and there is even word that some will not post here in the future because of it. Of course she's always had her supporters. It's just looking awkward for the site. I really didn't wnat to say anything jsut in case you may decide to reinstate her posting status.

Perhaps you could have waited to see if she reoffended before renetering the ban info... Dudelove got more than one chance, he won't again. I think times have changed, but it may look to some like some people here are still bearing a grudge after all this time. I'm sure what she did was really, really bad (would have to be for a permanent ban, yes I know the bad things she did), but she has been pretty excellent over the last year.

Just wanted to let you people know... I've had a few concerned PMs by a non scifi.com/lexx poster already, and someone I really respect wholeheratedly at lexx.com.

This is what happens when you're multitasking... I hadn't noticed there was a thread on this already in the lexx forum... :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:

Oh, and I see it's LAdyJAde posting, she was extremely abusive about us at MAya's site... She really is a charmer.

Logan, Maya was responsible for much stife here and she was a major player in driving many, many people from the unmoderated Scifi/Lexx board.

There was also much, much stife on Lexx.com that she participated in until they told her to cool her wools or else. She is apparently not a happy camper unless she gets her way and the last word and doesn't seem to mind going to scorched earth to win.

I know, i'm totally familar with what she did... Looked at past threads, and I won't say she's totally changed. I guess it's okay, will be easy to explain now that there's a thread on it.

That LAdyJade is not very nice, good for you to discuss things with her.

Hummm, I got a private message from Maya at 3:25 this afternoon??? I just noticed it, since most people just regular email me (my address being all over town) so I forget to look at my messages.

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mayaxiong

Subject: Banned?? Sent: Jun 05, 2004 - 03:25 PM
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I can't beleive you posted that crap on the bboard about me being 'permanently' banned.

I registered again this week using the SAME ISP I've always had and if I'd been banned, it would not have accepted it. I've posted for 3 days and Tony even posted right behind me and said nothing about me being' 'banned".

Ive NEVER been formally banned from this site, just left of my own accord.

You're just using this as an excuse to make it appear as if I'd been banned, when in fact, I'd left this board long ago due to crap just like this being done to others and myself for no reason.

You could have at least had the courtesy of asking Saddy's before you pushed your little button..

How rude of you, but why am I surprised??

I plan to send an email to Tony about this and others will see just how unfair you are to ban someone for absolutely no reason, when JJ and others can swear, post nudity and flame others without any banning whatsoever.

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As a side note, we did check with the Ban-er to see if the Ban was still in effect.

While I cannot pretend to know what all goes on at Lexx.com I have spoken with several of the mods there and was told that she (and they - Hds and company) were told to shape up or ship out when she got into that big fight with HDS and a few other people about a year ago.

And yes, I would imagine she has been a model poster since. She pretty much would have had to be yes? She was banned from here, and scifi Lexx was turned into a ghost town which means that of the major Lexx boards that was the last one left for her.

I have met Maya on several occasions (she lives a few towns down the road from me) I once spent quite a bit of time in a private chat room that she was eventually bounced out of (I had nothing to do with that, since I was there as a guest) and I originally tried to convince certain parties here that she was not all bad. Know what? After witnessing some of her tag-team attacks on others (on several boards) I decided I was wrong.

Whoo doggies! Things sure have gotten right interesting this evening! I know nothing about the incident in question and I will not presume to pass judgement or give my opinion on the issue, being a neohyte and all. The only thing I'd like to say is this: In all of the time I have frequented this site, before and after registering, I don't believe I have ever seen evidence of anyone here being arbitrary or unfair. I now step down from my soapbox to retreat to my little hole.

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There appears to be truth to both sides of the story. Maya was banned, before I was even a mod!. But it's unclear if she was ever (publicly) told about it.

Lookie here.

It wasn't as public or obvious as say Gelfing's or Fatguy's ban, more initially secret like Bonnee's.

There was however a post she made as an unregistered user a few months later, her acknowledging knowledge of her banned status publicly. I'm having difficulty finding that post. It's rather difficult when I can't remember what the thread was about, nor the approximate date, and I can't do searches on unregistered users!

Either way, I somehow doubt that logic will prevail in this situation.

I was looking at that post earlier and thinking the exact same thing! An jsut thinking it again not five minutes ago.

She was posting as Zevalicious and they were trollish... CLICK

I saw this quote earlier at Maya's site.

From what I've seen thefrey didn't ban her, did she? She was permanently nd very justifiably banned. but is quite possible she didn't know she'd been banned.

There is no mention anywhere here, including in the private forum that she was reinstated. But perhaps it doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't by Sad. Perhaps he did it quietly without making an announcement, or more likely he didn't know who was registering.

And what's this about sending a new email? Does she mean he sent her a password?

Anyway, MAya seems to rewrite the truth in the oddest ways -- I'm very familair with that at lexx.com. I used to always be correcting her on her errors/ misconceptions. I find it irritating that she's hostile and opinionated but so often gets her facts wrong.

Nope, I was not the person who orginally banned her, nor did I even request it. But, since at the time it was very justified, when it finially dawned on me that she was back and 'hey wasn't she banned' I did ask about it. And I totally agree with it, stife follows this woman like famine follows war.

Three days for it to register with me... I was busy I tell ya, busy.... I am not getting too old honest. I don't care what you say I am NOT past it! Honest! :P

Private message I sent Sad's buddy Sexacutioner

>>>I see that you changed the picture on your avatar. That was good, but I also see that you are still using someone elses band width. You must host the pic you are using. The teen peek site gets no traffic from you when you are only using there picture. You may want to fix this quick, I know Tony is very fussy about this.

Also you may want to lay off the Lexx.com'ers a bit.

I'd just like to remind everyone, that this is a private forum. And that many things discussed here should not be publicly revealed.

Dang, I missed a wild weekend at Sadgeezer.com

So sexecutioner is dudelove huh? Big surprise there. With Lexx.com down we've picked up a lot of great posts from their masses, but naturally the lesser halves come'along too. I'm all for discussion on the Do's and Don'ts of postings, but a very few of these people (and naturally I'm easy to bait) want to turn this into a metaphysical debate on the right to censor. Yikes. It's a dang Sci-Fi board! Be nice! It's that simple.

Whatever you guys decide I'm 100% behind, naturally. Personally though I'm all for "second chances" and third and fourth and fifth etc... :P I don't think there's any need to keep a ban as long as the person wants to "play-nice". It's obvious to me, and I think most of you guys when they don't. And sexecutioner is even worse than fatguy in this department.

Just to give you guys the heads up. I've taken on the role of deciding whether or not to let Maya back in.

There was a very good post by KarubaLuna (and som eotehr irate and silly posts) that seem to show Maya as being nice peeps. I personally absolutely do NOT agree with any of it. When she wants to be she can be an interesting poster with cool ideas, she can also be vindictive, downright nasty and manipulative to the point of horror.

Letting someone like this back on the site would, in my opinion be a bad thing.

Having said that, I don't actually do much of the moderation in LEXX or most of the otehr forums and as a result, think it was a bit cheeky top tell the posters that I would make the final decision about Mays re-instatement. Unfortunately, I didn't want Headge, Logan or theFrey to get caught up in any animosity and thought it best to change the focus on me personally. - Ie. one person deciding as opposed to 'the clique'.

On Wednesday I will tell the thread that my decision is to leave the ban in place for historical AND recent reasons.

If however, you guys think that she should be let back in, then I'll let her back in.

Please would you indicate how you feel. (I know you just done that above, but for the record a simple Yes (let her back) or No (keep her banned) would be really useful).

:( okay, i thought this was all done with, and unfortunately i was in my own private hell this weekend so i am just tuning in...for the record, maya is sweetness and charm as long as she gets her way...but it takes very little to turn her into psycho bitch...and as some of you may have noticed, she has no qualms drawing her own conclusions, then presenting them as fact, then eviscerating anyone who dares to point out that she might possibly be wrong...she also has a dreadful habit of whipping up wars everywhere she goes...in short, ladies and germs, she has no boundaries, and that is why I, FX, banned her, and gelfling, basically for the same reasons...trollish behaviour is bad enough, but carrying it over into people's private emails (in this case, mine) means an unacceptable escalation...i have usually gone and updated ban lists, but truthfully, with all the server revamps, i let it go...i first noticed that the ban lists did not carry over from server to server when bonnee showed up again...at that time, i discussed with all of you whether or not to let him keep posting...as i recall the conclusion was to wait and watch...maya and x's girlfriend gelfling,however, showed pathology both on the board and off that i didn't really want to be a part of...at any rate, i will fess up (again) to banning maya both here and scifi...i really don't care about her histrionics, i just don't want to here her bullshit version of the truth anymore....

It's a rare thing to see so much effort by you admins/mods in regards to their posters, and it should be recognized. I actually have no clue who Maya is, but after reading that Sci-Fi post, and reading what Saddy/FX/Frey and the rest have to say, it's another person clearly in the "Rules don't apply to me" department. Like I said in another thread, there's only so many "second chances" before you become a career troll.

It sucks when they have cliques following 'em around parading their martyrdom, but none the less I'm not sympathetic to posters that habitually abuse moderators and administrators. These are the people who are doing nothing other than trying to keep the site moving smoothly, and should not be subject to unwarranted attacks.

I know I'm the smallest mod on the block, and I thank you guys for listening to my input.

I must say, I don't know Maya either, but I don't really like the vibe this whole thing is putting out. I understand why people would be upset at a perceived slight to one of their bretheren, but the rules are the rules, and as said before, there aren't that many. Some of these heartfelt sentiments smack of intimidation IMHO. If you don't want to play by the rules, stay out of the game. It's that simple. Accept if for what it is and move on.

stormsweeper wrote:

I agree totally with the above. It's very noble of SadGeezer to take the responsibilty on himself, but as far as the "clique" issue goes, if the ban remains, you'll just be a tool of the clique. You'll be the clique-master, even if you were the voice of reason five minutes before. I say make the decision you feel is right.

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Like the other two post-maya mods I'm going to abstain. Had this been discussed pre-ban I would have said let her stay. But its obvious now form the recent actions of her and her minions that it's better that she not be here. Another ban would have been inevitable down the line, and we'd be going though the same shit then as we are now. Better to get it out of the way.

And I'd like to add that I am honestly in awe of Maya. Based on her accusations and half-assed assumptions at scifi.com/lexx I doubt she has the reasoning ability to replace a light bulb. For the life of me I can't fathom how she can even type out her quasi-cognisant arguments with that little brain power. Seriously Logan made it damn obvious that I did the ban, and Stromsweeper spelled it out, and yet she just doesn't get it.

edit: grammar

I'm back for a moment... Kinda thought I was resigning, but I'm glad I didn't -- I was half-asleep and worrying about some family situations and alienating old friends from lexx.com and newer ones from here.

I agree with your points... Forget the past, judging by her actions now she doesn't deserve a chance.

Really it makes sense to have a working ban module, especially considering Fatguy's ban and Sexy's imminent ban.

Sorry about implicating you... Was just extremely stressed and I hadn't slept. I'm an idiot on semi-vacation. However, it's well known that only administrators can do bans. That was even discussed not that long ago by the admin at the lexx board forum, so Maya is really clueless.

Awww, poor Logan. Poor Sad. Poor Fx.

And even poor Maya. After all life sucks when you can't have your way... and as someone very wise just pointed out on another board ... it is how we deal with these little disapointments that shape people's opinions of us.

When I checked and found the ban was still suppose to be in place, I had no hesitation with mentioning it. Since I knew the concerned party from the boards, in person and from numerous hours a night in the same chat room. But I wish I had known she didn't know or remember that the ban was still in place. I would have tried to pm her.

But once Lady Jade posted and then Maya Pvt messaged me, there was no way for me to say anything that was not going to wind her or her supporters up even more. Was not discussing it with her adherents the best thing? I don't know.

On one hand it feeds no fires to the flames, offers up no names that were only enforcing old decisions and gives no statements to be twisted. But.... perhaps, to some types of people, the silence itself is a windup. No win situation.

I have also thought about the 'double standard' jab. Is it a double standard to give a young and silly person a few chances? I would not expect a 5 year old to have the same restraint and disipline as a 15 year old.... So does cutting a tween/20 something more slack than a mature adult really result in a double standard?

I hope you're not referring to when I said double-standards, because that was simply a word choice glitch, I was referring to the amazing amount of hypocricy in the Mayan camp. Edit: I'm too used to being able to edit my posts after I hit the submit button.

Anyway, yeah it's been kinda hard becuase I've had old friends angry at me over this.

Naw, it is just the easiest way to describe it... if you are freinds with the mods, some people can do anything... why are some people given a second chance... ect....

Although, with the amount of slack some people are cut before the boom lowers that last one was pretty funny. Is being obnoxious and "daddy-o"ing all over the place in the same league with some of the other stuff that has occurred in the past? :)

Welp, it looks like I'll just have to post that the ban is still in place. Can you guess why I left it so long ;)

It wasn't just to see your opinions of course, but to let the offending poster hang herself with the posts on sci fi.com. Even Karuba has conceded that the ban must remain in place.

And another things. I don't think you all appreciate what a difficult job this can be. Moderation is very distressing and not fo rthe faint hearted. I guess that sound patronising, but it really can be hard work. On most boards mods last a year, maybe 18 months before moving off to do something else. It's absolutely normal and to be honest, can be a good thing. You can be in one place far too long and get to the point where you're sick to death of it and just have to get away for a while.

So when old stuff comes back to bite us in the bum, some of us are more philosphical than others, and some of us (namely me) had cpmpletely forgotten the trouble and suddenly wondered what all teh fuss was about. I remember recently commenting on how nice it was to see Maya again oblivious to the fact that she was behind a lot of the worst troubles this site has known! It wasn't until I started re-reasing all the stuff that remembered.

The point is that there's lots to do in moderating and admining and its' easy to forget stuff, especially when a certain admin puts his foot in it AND we're still supposed to enjoy ourselves and have fun.

Hmmm.... I'm desperately trying to think of a 'don't sweat the small stuff' analogy and failing miserably. Hopefully you guys know what I mean.

Thanks for your input.

Why not just send her an email instead of posting it... interest has died down, and perhaps that will keep it from flaring up again.

Unless we are up for another round... in which case have at it. :D

Sexecutioner, is playing games with pictures again. This time he found one for explicit use on bboards. (hosted on another server with permissions etc). But it had inappropriate language, and I'm tired of waiting for him to really slip up, so I gave him a one week ban today.

Part of me thinks that a policy of nixing obvious trolls early on is a good thing to avoid future aggravation. But we do lose out on the commotion they cause, and the clever ways they try to break the rules, as evidenced by Bonnee Fatguy (to a lesser extent) and now Sexecutioner.

...you're right headge, you do miss out on the shenanigans and lively debate caused by the trolls, but then again, when the trolls have their way too often, you still lose because reasonable people get fed up and leave :( it's hard to know when to intervene...at any rate, a one week ban is a good compromise

Personally, I wish we could lift the ban of all banned members right across the board in one swoop... Never have been a fan of permanent bans unless deemed crucial to the well-being of the site (and its members).

I believe in seventh, eighth, and ninth chances, and unfortunately, our likeability has gone downhill in certain people's minds. If they mess up again -- don't follow certain explicit guidelines -- the bans would have to be reinstated, but a ban must not only be fair, it must be seen to be fair (for the greater good).

While I can appreciate your decisions, I must say I miss Fatguy here -- the forums are slower than when he was here -- I generally enjoyed his brand of controversy, and well, he was the one who first asked me to post here by PM at lexx.com, and was one of the biggest supporters, along with Pet particularly, Micro and others, of The Prisoner forum. I didn't appreciate the blatant advertising of his site, or certain other things, but at least his site wasn't directly competing with any of the forums here. (Perhaps we need to be consistent in enforcing certain explicit rules at all times, else it can appear arbitrary... A three strikes and you're out approach, unless something done is really egregious, might be good... warned each time and the for the same repeat offence of course).

Just my current thoughts... Banning is never an easy thing to do, I know, and lifting them can be problematic (less so if it's every bannee across the board I would think).

I do wonder will happen the next time something like this occurs, now that the commado's have to be careful what they say on the sci-fi board since it is no longer a totally unmoderated board.

In this last go round I was called everything but a child of god, yet they feel victimized.

Unpopular? Tolling abounds and unreasonableness is broadcast across multiple boards and chats and *we* are unpopular?

I have always been puzzled by the collective amnesia that seems to apply to trolls yet not to the boards they attempt to terrorize.

I don't mean for this to come off as overtly cynical; but why are you bringing this up now? I thought we buried this anxiety attack 3 months ago!

At the time of this writing, there is only ONE member with a permanent ban: Maya. She's publicly proclaimed that she doesn't want to come back here (again!). Likewise she has shown that she doesn't deserve the rite to post either. Maya's ban is a moot point.

The only other outstanding ban is Fatguy. I never specified how long that ban is for, however it was not intended to be "permanent". And before anyone says anything, I'm positive that I didn't! I made sure not to comment on his ban beyond what I wrote to him publicly on the SadBoard.

For the record I banned him for hypocrisy. I was annoyed by his perpetual double standards. All this came to a head when he discovered that his Iraqi Prisoner thread was deleted and publicly complained about it. The ironic part being that he had already censored everything he wrote in that thread himself!

I have no plans to lift his ban. I however will not re-enter his information should the database become corrupted again, and the ban information is lost. I'll let the internet gods determine when that will occur.

With that said, I am open to the possibility of granting a reprieve, but only for many DAMN GOOD reasons. And even then only if he'll stop disturbing unrelated threads with his personal politics.

As for the slow board, its just that time of year. As Saddy has pointed out, there's no good scifi on TV today. We'll luckily have Battlestar Galactica and Farscape in a month. Beyond that, not much. Things should pick up later this year, when there is more talk about sci-fi. They always have.

Someome, anyone, getting banned from the board is hardly one of life's great tragedies. Not worth anyone having an anxiety attack over (wasn't worth mentioning again either)... Save that for real life. And a real life scare is probably affecting my cognitive abilities because I'd like to tell you why I thought about it, but can't remember my train of thought at the time -- there was nothing specific, just random thinkin' aloud.

Anyway, thanks for the responses, very good points both. I felt the bans were justifiable, and didn't mean to come off as if I was complaining about it or really worried about it, if I did come across that way, sorry.